Your input invited for May 3rd quarterly meeting

Patrick S. Osmer — April 28, 2011

Pat OsmerOur quarterly meeting is set for Tuesday, May 3, 2:30-4 p.m., in Blackwell Ballrooms B&C, and I am asking for your input in setting the agenda. I am certain that there are issues that you are dealing with that could benefit from input from the whole graduate community. This is an ideal time to bring those to my attention.

Feedback on our quarterly meetings included comments asking for them to be more interactive. I’d like to try that, so here’s what I’m proposing. We have several topics that we’re considering for the agenda, ranging from the administrative to higher level issues such as the purpose and function of doctoral education going forward in the 21st century. I’ve bulleted the topics I had in mind below.

I’d like your suggestions for other topics and comments about them that you’d like to make before the meeting. Please post them here so that the wider graduate community can read them and make additional comments in advance of the meeting. You may also send them to me directly at

Agenda items
  • Graduate student registration issues, especially registration of GAs and continuous enrollment
  • Academic misconduct issues
  • SROP update
  • Status update on the open forum for professionally oriented master’s programs
  • Looking forward: Beginning a dialog on the purpose and function of doctoral education for the 21st century
  • Announcements


Patrick S. Osmer is vice provost of graduate studies and dean of the Graduate School at Ohio State. He is also currently serving as chair of the board of directors for the Council of Graduate Schools. Osmer was chair of the Ohio State astronomy department from 1993-2006.


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Amy Schmidt
program performance reviews
Thu April 28, 2011, 16:53:54
It's a small question, but I wonder how graduate programs will be asked to report average GRE metrics for performance reviews with the old and new GRE scoring systems -- should we use approximation tables to make a single average or separate old score averages and new score averages or should percentiles be used instead of scores?

Another question is how international students are viewed/valued in program performance reviews: are they a good thing even if their metrics are on a different scale or are lower than domestic students due to English as a second language? It seems that performance reviews should separate out or give additional context regarding the metrics of students depending on the degree, country of origin, and other factors that may or may not make them a good fit for a graduate program.

Just food for thought and I welcome any additional comments/corrections/anecdotes!

Amy Schmidt
Graduate Program Coordinator
School of Environment & Natural Resources
Parvaneh Pourshariati
International Students
Sat April 30, 2011, 12:57:31
I would like to follow up on Amy's concern with gauging international students' academic records in our admissions policy. Many departments must already be attracting excellent international graduate students whose record, for cultural specific reasons, falls short of American students in one of our indices of admission. As some of these are nonetheless excellent students who've been attracted to OSU, and as we try to raise our international profile, perhaps we should begin thinking in more nuanced terms about our admissions policy for international students.

Some of the issues of concern include matters pertaining to English proficiency and funding for international students. Many schools deal with requisite English proficiency in an infrastructural way, where ESL classes are somehow made part of the curriculum.

Perhaps we can think of ways in which applications to graduate school can integrate, to the degree possible, applications to the "American Language Program?"

Available funding for international students is also of concern, as some excellent international students have extremely limited financial resources.

As it stands our "Financial Requirement" for international admits effectively, and detrimentally, cuts into our ability to recruit excellent international students.

To what extent can the Office of International Affairs aid in the procurement of visas for students who, due to their country of origin, and the US policy vis-a-vis these, are seriously and adversely affected by our immigration policies, is another issue that comes to mind.

These are some of the issue that we have had to consider on an ongoing basis at the department. So, I wholeheartedly second Amy's request for having the issue on the agenda for discussion.

Regards and cheers,

Parvaneh Pourshariati
Graduate Studies Chair
Department of Near Eastern Languages and Cultures
Nontraditional Students
Mon May 02, 2011, 08:13:51
I would encourage you to specifically examine ways of making graduate education, including the PhD, more available to nontraditional students. Specifically I would include, among others, students who have been in the workforce for a number of years, or even many years, and have acquired skills and abilities not easily captured on the more common academic metrics. They may not have an honors thesis and they might have to forego departmental meetings to deal with work or home issues, but I would argue that in some instances they can bring as much or more to the table than a 22 y/o with straight A’s. Part-time options and alternate admission criteria (e.g. résumé, letters from qualified supervisors and colleagues) would be examples. There seems to be a view in some departments that anyone who has commitments outside academia is undesirable and would harm efforts to be viewed as “elite.” I posted a much lengthier (and perhaps confusing) explanation of my point of view under the Dean’s 13 April blog entry.

For what it is worth (maybe not much), I wholeheartedly agree with the new look at international students. I recall very well the process of seeking a medical residency for my wife, an international graduate. At some programs we encountered great hostility to international graduates and even when she found a program, there was a lot of grief simply because she had an accent. My impression is that this is not as great an issue in graduate programs outside medicine, but it is certainly worth a look.
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